----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:22 AM
Subject: Fw: [4LEGS] The medium is the message -- The Internet is the anarchist -- the tactic is the idiology
Hi Eric Moot,
If you have time to scan this thread below, you'll see part of my trajectory. If you then sense that we have then have some overlapping values or goals, you'll sense whether to trust my judgement in those areas of mutual interest.
Why don't you try to bring some friends along to the AFU meeting on Sunday. We need all the support we can get, if you are willing to help me clean up a few of the misguided ( as in a long slow carefully planned project). Some of the key hierarchical dominators see AFU only as a school rather than a vehicle of social change with an unlimited number of possibilities (parallel directions) such as the campus Anarchist Clubs. Maybe if fascist critics don't want to operate in the collective under the rules of consesus, you and I may be the beginning of another group of hierarchical dominators to add some balance.
I have another more relevant message to send to you, almost composed to follow hopefully before Friday.
Om ...peaceJohn Gilbert
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----- Original Message -----
To: Ahmed
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: [4LEGS] The medium is the message -- The Internet is the anarchist -- the tactic is the idiology
Ahmed, thanks, I'll remember to say communistic not communist when I remember the Joe Hill movie which I loved so much around 1971. Together with a few articles over the years, including Wikipedia just now, is about all I know about the wobblies.
Within the context of Kitchener Julian's anger against "sectarianism" and to help stop Ontario Ontario anarchists' infighting, your helpful Anarchist branding of Hillstrom overtop of my earlier communist branding or label was usefull for me to *revise* my consciousness for seeing history's path of communism/anarchism more clearly from the 1917 Russian Revolution to today.
I like Ward Churchill's phrase "I'm inclined to anything that works" - " ...need some 50-year-olds to get off their fat asses and stop reading books. Understanding minus the ACTION is masturbation in politics," he says of the academics who theorize and pontifcate without acting" He adds...."I'm inclined to anything that works. ...Ward Churchill." (whatever works - especially now in the early stages before the (2020? - 2050?) water wars begin, when everyone should want to grow all movements' memberships in a non-sectarian way of the comrads) Julian of KW Youth seems to have similar beliefs to mine when he trashed sectarianism. Maybe he also believes that all activists should skip idiology and organize around issues with direct actions.
I've only met Julian twice and had no conversation with him of any substance like this email thread. From several face to face chats at some of Sam's meetings, I know Sam better than other OCAPpers.
Personally, I must reject IWW only because I want to "go with the flow". If the wobblies (or any group) surge ahead with great leaps forward in growing numbers of members, I will like everybody jump on that bandwagon and identify with them until they slow down and get bumped by a faster growing group - just as I did before I knew what an anarchist was. The New Anarchists. - Did you wonder how it all started in Eugene, Oregon (greenanarchy.org/) in 1999 ? Here is a three minute read of the story: The New Anarchists http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/9935/features-parrish.php :: further reading for those "protest demo tactics researchers" who have the time see the Wikipedia definition. The basic issue behind all issues
I have never heard of any of the world's problems of man or animal that would not be solved by "culling human spraw" (population control) by any means inluding stateism (like China does) by a benevelent dictator (this leaves me vulnerable to be called a fascist by some). So what ? The world for animals and man is almost dead. If it's not too late to save the biosphere from Easter Island syndrome, I repeat - "I'm inclined to anything that works", because I believe that strategy and tactics trump a group's sectarianism or idiology. --
The medium is the message -- The Internet is the anarchist -- the tactic is the idiology
The dying victims of the genocidal war - the earth's animal species say - "All is fair in love and war, Mother Nature's 'slow' germs, prions are bio-weapons of mass destruction to help us cull human sprawl.". ... Jg
"The raging monster upon the land is population growth. In its presence, sustainability is but a fragile theoretical construct. To say, as many do, that the difficulties of nations are not due to people but to poor ideology and land-use management is sophistic." ...E.O. Wilson
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If there was a group or a few people that started a quasi-religeon/quasi-politic group called The Mother Nature Party of God(s?)", I would join.
The advantage of an anarchist group like that:- it's like a faith-based religeon. Detractors cannot use reason to talk people out of joining up. Wow - guaranteed loyalty and no competition. Enemies wouldn't be able to use logic to change the minds of Mother Nature's anti-climate change *fundamentalist* devotees. Despite my habit of trashing the Christians, Jews and Muslims I do have my non-thiest cosmology/spiritual path.
John
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Here is Mother Nature's message to Milton. He never replied. He probably thinks that I'm a wacko
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 10:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Yes, I am alive. My work continues.
Milton,
Thanks for your cosmology. Mine is at the beginning of http://j8472.tripod.com which says much the same thing as yours in your message below. Since we are both greenanarchists with a compatable cosmos with Mother Nature as another name for the universe/cosmos, should we begin to have some meetings with others under the label THE Mother Nature Party of God(s) ?
As I look at my old psycho-galvanometer (a bio-feedback meditation aid) that I used in the 1970s for experimenting with states of consciousness, I'm reminded of the success of Ron Hubbard who selfishly used the galvanometer to make himself rich with his Scientology cult. If Ron the con can start a cult, you and I can certainly help wake people up to realize the following:
Everyone on earth is already a member of The Mother Nature Party of God, but they don't know it. - Everyone: --
-- Zerzan and his greenanarchy proponents who were the innaugural seed of anti-globalization.
-- All cults and religeons, anarchists and leftists.
-- All social critics, scientists and activists.
-- Everyone and every thing everywhere.
Milton, are you up to the grandiose challenge to ride the emerging crest of The Mother Nature Party of God, which will (has?) take over the world.
I think that I see what you see ? Do you think that you see what I see ?
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The dying victims of the genocidal war - the earth's animal species say - "All is fair in love and war, Mother Nature's 'slow' germs, prions are bio-weapons of mass destruction to help us cull human sprawl.". ... Jg
The raging monster upon the land is population growth. In its presence, sustainability is but a fragile theoretical construct. To say, as many do, that the difficulties of nations are not due to people but to poor ideology and land-use management is sophistic. ...E.O. Wilson
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ahmed
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: [Suspected Spam]Re: [4legs] Ottawa and Kingston are dead for a while. On the other hand ...
Thank you John, I really appreciate it. While I do respect your desire for
transparency, I am myself not like that and I thank you for respecting my
desires as well.
However you make a mistake when you say that the IWW is communist. The IWW
is largely a revolutionary union. It chooses not to align itself with any
political orientation. Perhaps you have heard that almost all of the
Ottawa IWW are anarchists (most of the members of IWW worldwide are
anarchists)? Perhaps you have also heard of the Panhandler Union (a part
of the Ottawa IWW) actions in Ottawa on MayDay and June 1st? When we
blockaded the Rideau Centre and police station in an effort to stop
beatings and illegal ticketing of panhandlers and the homeless? Perhaps?
No? You should check the videos and pictures @ Ottawa indymedia, however
it is somewhere in the archives.
Have a good day,
Ahmed
> Information log, only
> Ahmed asked me to delete much of the message thread "(3) University of
> Ottawa Anarchist Club seems stalled" at
>
http://campusanarchistclubs.blogspot.com/, so, on Monday December 18, 2006
> I deleted the whole entry: "(3) University of Ottawa Anarchist Club seems
> stalled" (below, is a copy of the deleted page). I deleted it all because
> Ottawa is actually more than just "seemed stalled".
> Ahmed is a valuable resource and I think that we should help him whenever
> possible; but, for now without more local Ottawa contacts for me to work
> with, it looks like, Ottawa (and Kingston) are dead for a while. On the
> other hand you or I could go there and wing it. Simply grab any compliant
> semi-interested student and have him register your six point campus
> Anarchist Club (draft_1) constitution then try to do the rest by our email
> support from Toronto. An interesting tough challenge, maybe impossible
> that would really spark my sense of satisfactiion were I to succeed.
>
> I don't know whether Ahmed had discovered this truth until I had posted it
> earlier this month >> Everyone in world was becoming a communist in the
> 1920s:
http://anarchistuniversity.blogspot.com/> I don't know why Ahmed has not discovered that the wobblies (IWW) are
> communists.
> I don't think that Ahmed knows about the value of email messages being in
> the publc domain to enhance an online learning environment for community
> currency. I will be attempting to remember to add the public domain blur
> as my signature when relevant on my outgoing email messages as I have done
> immediately below.
> John
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Each letter sent to
godhas4legs@gmail.com will be treated as does the
ethicalpublicdomain ...as in - These wise organizers say:
>
" Each letter sent to
XXX@XXX enters the PUBLIC DOMAIN whenever it does
> not state otherwise.
http://www.ethicalpublicdomain.org> Please be kind to our authors!
> Have a look at our wiki where we are creating an online learning
> environment for community currency:
>
http://www.findbetterways.info/wiki.cgi?FindBetterWays/CommunityCurrency ">
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> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> (3) University of Ottawa Anarchist Club seems stalled.
>
>
> Ahmed,
> much thanks for your reply. I posted your vauable reply at
>
http://campusanarchistclubs.blogspot.com/, so if want to edit out words or
> whatever, let me know. After reading our conversation email threads from
> organizers, the IWW, the anarchist orgs or any activist can see that "when
> he signs on as a member" he only pretends to be a member and appears to
> only be a watcher or seeking an identity. In fact, some painless tiny form
> of commitment may be required, perhaps only an enforceable solid pledge if
> only one hour per week to be posted at the honor roll site for credits.
> Even then as you point out so well, we shouldn't hold our breath.
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ahmed
> To: John Gilbert(2)
> Cc: Ahmed ; David Evans anarU
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: big chief of Wikipedia
>
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thanks for the clarification.
> I would like to reply to some of your points.
> Alex never shut down the last messageboard...all of it has been my doing.
> I put the website up, as well as the old and new messageboards, etc.
>
> About Anarchist Clubs...yes, I have tried to engage other students in
> order to achieve this but I have run into a problem that keeps occuring
> over and over again.
>
> I'm sick of having to start things and talk to people myself. I am only
> ONE person and it does not seem like other people will want to help me.
> I'll be a monkey's uncle before I start running back and forth between
> people who "might" be interested in starting a club, I've done this sort
> of bullshit in the past many times and I'm not going to do it again. The
> university has a number of Anarchists but of course we get into another
> problem. Starting a club is work and they already have studies, work, etc.
> Most of them are with the IWW union (so am I) and some others are
> interested but have absolutely no motivation to move their asses to get
> something done (*anything* done). This is why I'm SICK of dealing with
> student radicals, or perhaps I just suck at dealing with the younger ones.
>
> If there is to be any serious Anarchist presence at UofO there needs to be
> people who will jump at an opportunity like this. This needs people who
> will make up ideas out of their asses and toss them around and actually
> TRY to do something in order to make them practical. People who put HARD
> work into it.
> I'll end my rant before I over-do it. You get my point.
>
> Sol,
> Ahmed
>
>> Hi Ahmed,
>> Please excuse any lack of clarity in my message. There was no reference
>> to you ...(irrelevant remaining thread text has been removed from
>> godhas4legs's message)
--
"Rise like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you
Ye are many - they are few."
Percy Shelley
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John said:
I don't think that people realize the value of email messages being in the publc domain to enhance an online learning environment for community currency. I will be attempting to remember to add the public domain blur as my signature when relevant on my outgoing email messages as I have done immediately below.
...John
PS:
Each letter sent to godhas4legs(at)gmail.com will be treated as does the
ethicalpublicdomain ...as in -
what these wise organizers say:
"Each letter sent to XXX@XXX enters the PUBLIC DOMAIN whenever it does not state otherwise.
http://www.ethicalpublicdomain.orgPlease be kind to our authors!
Have a look at our wiki where we are creating an online learning environment for community currency -
